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Post by William Smith on Jun 19, 2017 17:12:18 GMT -5
Let's continue to discuss what we've seen--and whether or not anyone else ought to!
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Post by pom on Jun 20, 2017 7:25:14 GMT -5
Batman Returns (1992)
A curious thing is how much this recalls Edward Scissorhands in the design and the score. Another curious thing is that while it may be a terrible Batman movie, it's a great Batman villain movie.
Highlights: Danny DeVito may be the ultimate incarnation of the Penguin, but he's still no match for Michelle Pfeiffer's Selina Kyle/Catwoman. Profoundly sexy and whose morals are delightfully ambiguous, it's one of the best anti-hero performances I've ever seen. The production design and art direction are both visual feasts, as nearly every Burton film of this period is.
Not quite so strong: I have no idea what Christopher Walken is doing in this movie. The character of Max Shreck fails to make much of an impression, as the film starts out having him be a puppet master of sorts but doesn't really know what to do with him after the 40-minute mark. It also creates a balance issue of who is the prominent lead of this movie: Batman, Catwoman, or The Penguin. And honestly, I don't know if the film even knows.
Mid-way: Michael Keaton is good but not nearly as strong as the previous film, while Danny Elfman's score at times seems like a knock-off of Edward Scissorhands (especially when he incorporates the choirs, so distinctive of that film). Tim Burton seems half-way interested in directing this movie; I would never argue that this is a studio-mandated film (it's far too dark for that), but it feels less personal than his work on Edward Scissorhands. It's not as good as the 1989 Batman or Edward Scissorhands, but I'd still much rather watch it than, say, The Nightmare Before Christmas or the dreadful Alice.
7/10, but a high 7/10. More presence of Batman and less of Shreck would have booted it up to an 8.
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Post by williamsmith on Jun 20, 2017 12:59:23 GMT -5
Hmmm. In terms of plot development, Shreck is a bit of a non-starter. I think you rightly point that with three villains--Catwoman, the Penguin, and Shreck--the narrative focus is rather diffuse, compared with the Burton Batman with Nicholson as the definitive Joker.
The origin story for the Penguin, however, for me makes it even darker than the previous film--effectively dark, I hasten to say, unlike the Nolan Batman series which reads like a sub-par freshman essay on moral philosophy.
I haven't watched Edward Scissorhands in a long time, and it certainly is one of the most personal of Burton's films, particularly with the presence of Vincent Price. I'd still put Big Fish on the top of the Burton pile. Have you seen Big Eyes?
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Post by pom on Jun 20, 2017 21:30:19 GMT -5
Big Eyes is one that I haven't gotten around to yet. There's about 5 or 6 of his films after Ed Wood I still have yet to get to.
I saw Miss Peregrine in theaters, and thought it was mildly enjoyable if uneven. I'm not really sure where Burton's career is headed at this point, or if he even knows.
I try to watch Edward Scissorhands every couple of years, if only for Elfman's masterpiece of a score.
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Post by epicgordan on Jun 21, 2017 2:35:53 GMT -5
He's making a live-action remake of Dumbo. Apparently, he hasn't learned his lesson following Alice in Wonderland.
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Post by William Smith on Jun 21, 2017 13:00:06 GMT -5
Epic: Quite correct, and what a very bad idea.
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Post by William Smith on Jun 21, 2017 17:01:09 GMT -5
In a recent move, I somehow misplaced my copy of Howard Hawks' Land Of The Pharaohs, and so I just ordered, and viewed, a new copy. A note about the disk itself--it's part of the Warner Archive series, and if memory serves it's a bit less detailed than the older release. Still quite serviceable; we can but hope, however, for a blu-ray remastering of this curious, but often spectacular and never less than entertaining film.
Egyptologist Barbara Mertz (who wrote a wonderful series of mystery thrillers with a late 19th century Egyptological background) noted in one of her popular books on ancient Egypt that no one enjoys films set there more than students of Egyptology, largely because filmmakers get everything wrong. Land Of The Pharaohs is no exception. It blithely mixes periods of Egyptian history--the main character is Khufu (Jack Hawkins), the Old Kingdom builder of the Great Pyramid, whose wars are those of the New Kingdom, nearly a thousand years later. Elements of the design of the pyramids echo those of the pyramids of the Middle Kingdom, not the old. His architect, the captive Vashtar (James Robertson Justice), has a backstory comprised of the Children of Israel and Ramses II's battle of Kadesh--again, New Kingdom. Nellifer, the princess (Joan Collins), whose "treachery stained every stone of the pyramid" according to the marketing materials, is from "the tributary province of Cyprus"--but Cyprus was not under Egyptian control until just before the Persian conquest around 500 BC--about 2000 years after Khufu. The film's assumptions about where the labor for the pyramid came from are wrong in almost every respect. And, of course, to make the plot work (a spoiler here), some people must be entombed alive with the dead pharaoh, which was not Egyptian practice at all, nor was killing the architect.
LOTP shares an intrinsic problem with other examples of Hollywood Biblical/Ancient of the 1950s--how should historical characters talk? Both Howard Hawks and William Faulkner (the head writer here) freely admitted that they had no idea how a pharaoh ought to speak, and the (very amusing) solution was to make the Egyptian court sound like the Tudors--Khufu addresses his friend and High Priest Hamar (Alex Minotis) as "My Lord Priest", as if he were the Archbishop of Canterbury. (The curious may wish to look at www.tcm.com/this-month/article/411172%7C387686/Land-of-the-Pharaohs.html for some interesting background.)
Now that we know that this isn't a historically accurate film (the only film about ancient Egypt that is to a large degree is Faraon, directed by Jerzy Kawalerowicz), we can move on. LOTP is great fun. First of all, it does literally have a cast of thousands--something, I think, we will never see again as live action. (CGI takes care of crowds now.) It has some eye-popping location footage--part of the film was shot at the Great Pyramid and at other sites, including an unfinished pyramid. There are some puckish in-jokes--when Khufu rejects a series of tomb designs, one of them is the actually the cross-section of the Great Pyramid. It does include one important recent (for 1955) discovery--solar boats, which had been discovered at Giza in 1954. The plot is predictable--Khufu's greed for the treasure for his second life inspires his second wife to plot to kill him--and one of the real pleasures of the film is seeing how little Joan Collins' acting has changed from 1955 to the present. (It's one of her earliest credits.) Dimitri Tiomkin's score has some lovely things in it, particular the cues under the scene late in the film when Nellifer's servant tries to kill Khufu. And, of course, there is the finish. Nellifer has murdered the pharaoh for his treasure, but first she must actually bury him. When she does lower the lid of the sarcophagus, an elaborate mechanism in the pyramid drops stone blocks into every passage, filling everything but the actual burial chamber. It's a wonderful set piece; the first time I saw it was on a 3 AM TV showing in on a small, grainy, black and white set and even then it was a privileged moment.
There is much more to be seen. Pop on a disk and watch.
Is it a great film? No. Is it something that every film lover should see? Absolutely. An 8 out of 10. It is just about perfect of its type. There are few films that are so outrageously entertaining--and sometimes for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by alinchgo on Jun 22, 2017 10:09:34 GMT -5
Hello, William, nice to be here! Thanks for making it possible.
I saw CARS 3 Tuesday and time permitting will see it again today (Thursday, June 22). I was running late for the film I intended to see and slipped into the multiplex showing this Pixar/Disney movie instead (Shhh!). The 300-seat theater was about fifteen pecent full for a pre-Noon showing on the last day before the City of Chicago and many surrounding suburbs broke for the summer. Families predominated, but there were a few childless couples and one or two unattached, like me.
I liked CARS 3 very much. The chief conceit of the CARS cast in this animated series is that all the "actors" consist of vehicles instead of people, giving wide range for anthropomorphism of classic Hollywood types like the middle American, the sinister high-tech interloper, the good ol' girl, the grizzled good ol' boys (here pickup trucks) and so on. The central character, "Lightning McQueen" (voice of Owen Wilson) is a red, ca. 1995 Camaro and remains dedicated to finding success in a rapidly changing world.
In my opinion, animation was first-rate and employs the kind of virtual camera shots we'd expect to see in a live-action fiction movie set largely at NASCAR-type racetracks, here called "Piston Cup," an obvious pun on the feeder-league "Winston Cup." The allegory by pun continues with an aerial "shot" of a Goodyear-looking blimp called "Lightyear," an in-joke toward Buzz Lightyear of Disney's TOY STORY franchise. Good-guy Lightning's foe is a black Corvette, "Storm," who uses highly derived computer statistics like drag coefficient and other such esoteric physics to predict himself a 96.8 percent chance of win over McQueen and the rest of the pack. Yes, that's it: POWERBALL inside of an all-American, can-do ROCKY theme. But as the plot develops (and here I can't go into too great detail for fear of introducing spoilers), a foil emerges, a bright yellow Cruze two-door named "Cruz" (the allegories in this movie are often literal, but then six-year-olds ARE a part of the series' demographics).
Yet there was a subtler wit at work too, most notably the way actual NASCAR racetracks are spoofed in an attempt to give local color to the plot. I'm a product of the Central Highlands of the Appalachians Mountains, and I recognized visual satires of such racetracks ancient and modern as Rocky Mount, Martinsville, Bristol (TN), and those flatland tracks on the circuit that reach larger crowds, such as Darlington and Daytona. I am not so sure about the racetracks set in Southwestern U.S. deserts, but all in all it was a great way to provide a "down home" feeling for Americans and subtly display our country's great and varied landscapes to overseas moviegoers.
Probably the most annoying feature of the movie to this reviewer was the over-emphasis given to the Chevrolet marque of recent cars, particularly the racers. Only very old cars or trucks like the 1950s GMC pick-up or the original Chrysler 300 (mid-Fifties) deviated from this. McQueen, as I said, is a Camaro; his antagonist is a Corvette, the newcomer is a Chevy Cruze which in real life never went above a four-cylinder engine that I know of (too small an engine compartment for a six- or eight-cylinder). I didn't necessarily expect to see Toyotas or Nissans, though they have become fairly evident on the NASCAR circuit over the past twenty or so years. I did expect to see modern Chrysler vehicles like the 300 or Fords like the Mustang, but did not. Perhaps I am picking nits over a cartoon, but after all the "S" in NASCAR stands for "Stock" (as in production models whose bodies still form the basis of sanctioned circuit racing). All all-Chevy cast of racers seems an unusual limitation on the American cars that smacked of "product placement" even if it isn't.
I do not run out and see every feature-length cartoon, far from it. But I will say that this genial, all-American satire, despite legions of talking cars and trucks, was in many ways more realistic than the most recent "Fast and Furious" movie, (F8 of the Furious), that had American and Cuban racers tearing up central Havana with their super-nitrogen-boosted cars -- an impromptu race, in no sense a "LeMans" type planned race. In Havana. CARS 3 continues the "Lightning McQueen" saga in a way that I found emjoyable, if a bit trite, and with a good mix of comedy and drama. To learn more, see the movie! This feature itself clocks in at 1:29; theatrical presentations are preceded by a typically wordless Pixar 'toon about a bully of a boy who gets more than he expected when he tries to raid the lost-and-found box at his elementary school.
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Post by pom on Jun 23, 2017 7:57:59 GMT -5
William: Oy, thanks for mentioning this. I do need to see more Hawks films, even if I think his greatest creative period was 1938-1946.
Zero desire to see Cars 3 in theaters. I'll wait to rent it, as the Cars movies do not have a good track record with me (as I think is common among most fans of Pixar).
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Post by epicgordan on Jun 23, 2017 14:19:07 GMT -5
I have no desire to see anything in theaters right now. Yes, this is in spite of the fact that the Transformers movies are guilty pleasures of mine, I have no desire whatsoever to see The Last Knight.
Same goes for The Mummy 2017, or Cars 3. And I think they all have similar problems, even if Cars 3 is objectively the least offensive of the bunch. I can probably through in Pirates of the Caribbean 5 in the mix as well even though I never particularly enjoyed these movies in the first place (at least the first Cars film was visually appealing and was a relatively harmless "meh"). Rough Night is another R-rated comedy that actively tries to be like Bridesmaids (which, especially when combined with the fact that it's a Sony picture makes it automatically disqualified from consideration). And 47 Meters Down seems to revolve around two people who end up dying because they decided to do something unbelievably stupid (and anybody familiar with my views on the Amazon forums can probably understand that I have, with rare exceptions, zero tolerance for stupidity in general, both in film and in real life--especially in film).
Sad to say that, ugh, Captain Underpants looks more appealing compared to these excuses for film. At least it doesn't have much, if any, toilet humor in it.
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Post by pom on Jun 23, 2017 14:27:36 GMT -5
Captain Underpants is one I may go see, but do plan to catch in rentals if I miss it. I liked the books quite a lot when I was younger: cheesy yet immensely fun reads.
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Post by William Smith on Jun 23, 2017 16:59:05 GMT -5
I'm probably going to see The Mummy over the weekend, although I doubt if it will have the pure fun of the Stephen Sommers reboot with Brendan Fraser. There are at least four distinct mummy traditions. First, the original from the 1932, the main points being the mummy resurrected by the Scroll Of Thoth, finding a reincarnation of his lost love, and trying to kill her and resurrect her as a living mummy. The Sommers reboot followed that. Then there is the 1940s series with Kharis guarding the tomb of Ananka, the high priests of Karnak, tana leaves, and the modern female character exciting the lustful attention of the high priest. The Hammer series followed this story line. The third is a series of films based on Bram Stoker's The Jewel Of Seven Stars, about the resurrection of an evil queen. The first of these was Blood From The Mummy's Tomb, from Hammer; there have been about 5 versions before the current Tom Cruise outing, which is based on Stoker's novel. And, of course, there is the Mexican Wrestling Woman Against The Aztec Mummy. I'm curious about this so-called Dark Universe notion. It doesn't seem like a great idea, but hey, let's wait and see.
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Post by kacee on Jun 24, 2017 1:01:37 GMT -5
My daughter loves the Bridget Jones' Diary films and we spent a very pleasant afternoon yesterday watching the first two films back to back, and then the new one Bridget Jones' Baby. It didn't disappoint, just as good and enjoyable. For chick flick aficionados, I can thoroughly recommend. 9 out of 10 stars.
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Post by alinchgo on Jun 24, 2017 11:55:13 GMT -5
Anyone here up for a quick review of the new WONDER WOMAN? There have been so many at other sites already.
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Post by William Smith on Jun 24, 2017 12:27:29 GMT -5
By all means go ahead. It's the silly summer season, and comments on blockbusters are welcome.
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